Very balanced treatment. There are dangers both to the right and the left and we must be willing to show the moral bankruptcy of both. Thank you for doing that so clearly here.
Great thoughts, agree of course. But I'm also super perplexed by this movie. I have no interest in seeing it for no doubt the terrible scenes, but when I looked up the plot, it sounds like it ends in a tragedy of a broken woman who is grieved by much including the way she only can live transactionally. It's interesting to now read the speech they gave in acceptance that seemed to celebrate such a lifestyle.
Your last line ("...the young men and young women who consume the content, dazzled by the confidence they see, and unprepared for the consequences of being fooled") is so well said and sadly correct. I think, though, that women will feel - and be left with - the consequences the most.
I had a father who was present. He spent time with his sons. He took us on adventures. Over the years I've noticed a lot of odd behavior from men who did not have strong fathers. Would you say being attracted to guys like Tate is one of those weird things?
Not Samuel either, and maybe not directly addressing your point, but I might also attribute Tate's appeal to the unfortunate reality of guys not having strong friendships or relationships with other girls. The hypersexualization of women to where a guy can't imagine connecting relationally with a girl unless there are romantic prospects has far reaching consequences. Christianity provides a better way - sons and daughters of God and brothers and sisters in Christ!
Not Samuel, but yes. People who were raised well by good fathers tend to find guys like Andrew Tate extremely off-putting from the get-go--the first time I saw a photo of him as he presented himself, I immediately thought "This guy is an arrogant twerp and not worth listening to."
However, for someone who either didn't have a father or whose father was emasculated, the way Tate presents himself is extremely seductive, because he seems to have some level of self-respect and seems to be living "the good life", and given the choice between being a swaggering jerk and being a doormat, most people will pick the former.
I agree mostly with your article which is why I liked it. However, Webbon did preface his comments clarifying what they think about Tate at length saying he is “perverse.” You failed to mention that in your article.
I agree with you that much of Webbon’s rationale is foolish, especially “sinning in the right direction.” You made that point well.
I've never read or followed the Tates - looking hard enough there are apparently supporters of them on the Right, though fortunately they are not as widespread among Evans. as the those from the Left (NeverTrumpers, etc). But both of these Right and Left expressions make the exact same mistake in overfocusing on sex and gender aspects to self-identify themselves imo.
This in term reveals how general Evan. has bought into these categories, arising not organically from Scripture but from the doctrine of our Western culture.
I agree about Hwood's evolution to the point where such dreck as Anora is made without a blink to general applause - and it will only get worse with time! Culture is not the Christian's friend or ally! I only know this Mikey Madison as the girl who gets torched in Tarantino's "Once Upon the Time in Hollywood" - her Oscar reminds me of the inexplicable Oscar Marisa Tomei got for "My Cousin Vinnie" - did she really earn it?
C.S. Lewis would have had a field day (and another entry for "The Screwtape Letters") with "sinning in the right direction."
Very balanced treatment. There are dangers both to the right and the left and we must be willing to show the moral bankruptcy of both. Thank you for doing that so clearly here.
Great thoughts, agree of course. But I'm also super perplexed by this movie. I have no interest in seeing it for no doubt the terrible scenes, but when I looked up the plot, it sounds like it ends in a tragedy of a broken woman who is grieved by much including the way she only can live transactionally. It's interesting to now read the speech they gave in acceptance that seemed to celebrate such a lifestyle.
Your last line ("...the young men and young women who consume the content, dazzled by the confidence they see, and unprepared for the consequences of being fooled") is so well said and sadly correct. I think, though, that women will feel - and be left with - the consequences the most.
You could argue that the very definition of sin is "going in the WRONG direction", willingly separating ourselves from the grace and mercy of God.
What a world we live in. Thanks for this prophetic word in season.
I had a father who was present. He spent time with his sons. He took us on adventures. Over the years I've noticed a lot of odd behavior from men who did not have strong fathers. Would you say being attracted to guys like Tate is one of those weird things?
Not Samuel either, and maybe not directly addressing your point, but I might also attribute Tate's appeal to the unfortunate reality of guys not having strong friendships or relationships with other girls. The hypersexualization of women to where a guy can't imagine connecting relationally with a girl unless there are romantic prospects has far reaching consequences. Christianity provides a better way - sons and daughters of God and brothers and sisters in Christ!
Not Samuel, but yes. People who were raised well by good fathers tend to find guys like Andrew Tate extremely off-putting from the get-go--the first time I saw a photo of him as he presented himself, I immediately thought "This guy is an arrogant twerp and not worth listening to."
However, for someone who either didn't have a father or whose father was emasculated, the way Tate presents himself is extremely seductive, because he seems to have some level of self-respect and seems to be living "the good life", and given the choice between being a swaggering jerk and being a doormat, most people will pick the former.
Really good. Thank you for writing.
I agree mostly with your article which is why I liked it. However, Webbon did preface his comments clarifying what they think about Tate at length saying he is “perverse.” You failed to mention that in your article.
I agree with you that much of Webbon’s rationale is foolish, especially “sinning in the right direction.” You made that point well.
Well-reasoned. Well-written. Super-necessary.
(Obsessed with hyphens this morning.)
Good thoughts to review and think about as usual!
I've never read or followed the Tates - looking hard enough there are apparently supporters of them on the Right, though fortunately they are not as widespread among Evans. as the those from the Left (NeverTrumpers, etc). But both of these Right and Left expressions make the exact same mistake in overfocusing on sex and gender aspects to self-identify themselves imo.
This in term reveals how general Evan. has bought into these categories, arising not organically from Scripture but from the doctrine of our Western culture.
I agree about Hwood's evolution to the point where such dreck as Anora is made without a blink to general applause - and it will only get worse with time! Culture is not the Christian's friend or ally! I only know this Mikey Madison as the girl who gets torched in Tarantino's "Once Upon the Time in Hollywood" - her Oscar reminds me of the inexplicable Oscar Marisa Tomei got for "My Cousin Vinnie" - did she really earn it?